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Has your soul ever betrayed you?

More than once in my life I was utterly convicted of a certain truth only to ultimately discover that it wasn't meant to be. At first, I feel betrayed by my spirit for allowing myself to be so convinced of something. Then I feel it was a lie I needed to tell myself in order to advance myself spiritually.

When something in your life failed to come to fruition that you 'knew' would happen, how did you react?

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Becoming too attached to the "idea" of what ever "it" is will ultimately create pain when "it" does not come to fruition or when "it" has reached its end. For all those going through a change of some kind, this quote sums it up quite beautifully... “Much of the pain in life comes from having a life plan that you've fallen in love with, and when it doesn't work out you become angry that you now have to pursue a new life plan. If you want to tame your inner demons, you must not become too attached to any particular life plan, and remain open to there being an even better, happier life plan.” ~Karen Salmonsohn

I think it's all a learning experience. More important to take it as a hard learned lesson in self-fulfillment than let it destroy you. I remember when I was in the Navy I submitted paperwork to go out in town in Hawaii overnight with some friends. I was pretty certain that it would go through, but it didn't. I ended up having to go back to the ship and spend both of the two night we had in port in my rack. I read a book instead, and some of the guys I would have gone out with got in trouble. Just keep going is what it taught me. You'll never get exactly what you want, but you can teach yourself to appreciate what you do get.

What a question: "Has your soul ever betrayed you?" I think the better question is: "Have you ever betrayed your soul?" Yes, I would say. Countless times. I believe that's part of life - part of growing, experiencing and learning. What's important is that we recognize those betrayals and make adjustments. I believe that is a life-long process and a curious journey that will cause some heartache along the way, but also much joy.

at the very end of my last relationship, I learned that I wasn't ready to settle down, but that was only after six months of begging her to take me back. she knew better than I did that I wasn't the settling down type just then and if she did give in to my desperate pleas, we'd both end up hurt and angry at one another, but when, at first, I didn't get what I wanted, I reacted in the normal childish fashion of constantly asking more and more, louder and louder, until my reactions were given attention. Once the acceptance of the life lesson came, however, I kissed my love goodbye and continued about my life on my own until i actually WAS ready to be in a relationship

Yes. After a long relationship had ended I re-evaluated all the choices I had made and rather than be angry at her I was devastated that I had been so wrong about who she was. I felt so confused and hurt. My ability to make choices was compromised and I felt so unsure about whether or not anything I was doing was right. But I learned from it and moved on.

No..my body has not betrayed me.

yes, exactly what you said.

well, that wasn't your soul that was betrayingyou-- it was your ego--- iy has happened to me before to---just learn to be quiet-- literally, sit/lie down, and be still-- ask your higher self what the righ thing to do is.. you'll get an answer/feeling. that's your intuition talking to you, and our higher self , is never wrong, where we go wrong as humans is by listening to our minds/egos

...hope this helps

and wait, do you study the austrian school of economics, or did you study there, or really; what's the deal there? (I'm an economist..errr econ major hoping not to be one, really)

I woke up from ECT day after day asking myself rhetorically, now what is real?

Frankly, I felt hurt. And now I feel angry. But what can I do? I know the truth, but perhaps it does me more harm. In the end all I can do is hope and try to make solutions to the problems in front of me. That and run like f*ck from the problems I don't have solutions to.

As cliché as it sounds, I believe everything happens for a reason. The times that I've expected, hoped and knew something was going to happen, and it didn't, I felt jarred. However, I accepted that it didn't come to be, and continued with my life. I'd constantly go back to figuring out why my truth was wrong. Usually I'd look for answers, or solace in my spiritual rock (reference, text, person). That would calm my distress, and I'd longer worry. Then, a while later, a week, year, couple of years, I'm hit with the reason my truth was disproven. Its almost a clairvoyant experience. At that moment I see that I've spiritually grown, or have received a greater opportunity, then what I originally expected. Sometimes I've perceived it as a lesson in humility and how I cultivate and share my spiritual knowledge. I go from being accepting, to absolute gratefulness for that deception of truth. So, I agree that you may be having “incorrect” truths in order to become spiritually stronger.

Try not take yourself so serious in this light, Sometime what I want is not whats best.

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"You don't have a soul. You are a Soul. You have a body.”- C.S.Lewis

You are you own worst enemy, and you are your own moral judgement.

This is something I struggle with often... there are plenty of things I've been certain of that haven't worked out... relationships (yes, plural, I'm a serial monogamist), different career paths, etc. It doesn't really matter what positive light I try to shine on my choices, I still regret some of them. What's worse is I don't trust myself to make big decisions anymore. That's something I'll have to get over, of course, but it's tough work accepting shortcomings.

If my soul had a conscious, then it would do more than just betray me.

I don't think that is your spirit or your soul, but your conscious mind hoping and even assuring yourself something will come to be.

Loose, inherently meaningless use of soul and spirit really irritates me. Which is my issue, of course.

That said, I dont see how lies could be a part of your enlightenment. They are lies and nothing more - and the real question is, of course - how do you know you arent a repeat offender?

Which lie was the first one and which will be the last?

I find it helps to draw a sharp line between spirit and soul.

I would hypothesize that the spirit was intended for freedom in relationship with truth, but the soul is a spirit lost in lies. (Why various faiths aim to "save the soul".)

When lies become manifest in spiritual quest, then it is a sign that the soul questing to just be a "found" and "freed" spirit . . . is not yet found found or freed.

I think I understand and relate strongly with your last sentence.
And I've found these moments to be watershed events where the raindrop falls decidedly either to one side of the divide or the other -- to end up oceans apart. There is no middle ground.

Having quested (faithfully one might believe) for truth and only finding lie, one can conclude there is either (a) something amiss in oneself . . . or (b) something amiss in the rest of existence. (Which then can and does so easily become transferred onto "the Creator" of existence.)

The former leads to more questing and seeking to "repair the self" -- perhaps even a "questing for truth at all costs?). The latter only leads to a quest to try to change the rest of existence (even to trying to re-create God in one's own preferred image) so one does not have to "eat" that self might be amiss and in need of saving. If that watershed divide was to be given a name, it's name would be Foolish Human Pride.
It is the "treasure of great value" that in retaining, one gives up all hopes of successful spiritual quest.

(As an aside, have you noticed that every single person who would come to SP railing against God . . . has re-created him into the worst possible fallible Human likeness they have had the misfortune to experience?)

That's why I normally don't think with my "spirit". I usually use logic.

Sounds like your ego likes to impersonate your soul.

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Sounds like your ego likes to impersonate your soul.

Has your soul ever betrayed you?

No..my body has not betrayed me.

yes, exactly what you said.

and wait, do you study the austrian school of economics, or did you study there, or really; what's the deal there? (I'm an economist..errr econ major hoping not to be one, really)

Try not take yourself so serious in this light, Sometime what I want is not whats best..

"You don't have a soul. You are a Soul. You have a body.”- C.S.LewisYou are you own worst enemy, and you are your own moral judgement.

If my soul had a conscious, then it would do more than just betray me.

I don't think that is your spirit or your soul, but your conscious mind hoping and even assuring yourself something will come to be.

That's why I normally don't think with my "spirit". I usually use logic.

Sounds like your ego likes to impersonate your soul.

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Try not take yourself so serious in this light, Sometime what I want is not whats best.

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"You don't have a soul. You are a Soul. You have a body.”- C.S.Lewis

You are you own worst enemy, and you are your own moral judgement.