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God ...No God...

It seems to me that on both sides of the issue are people who are trying really hard to convince you that they are right. I learned for my self that it is enough to just know for me what is right . I do not have to prove to you or even explain . I f you ask I will tell you why and how . It seems many want to lead you with questions so they can explain your answer wrong . My truth is right for me and yours is right too. They don't have to be the same .

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Behaviors count and beliefs dont, unless they affect behaviors in ways which count.

On the other hand - belief in the unknown as a known is just vanity. :)

Personally I hold that something cannot be classified as "truth" unless it works for more than just oneself. Otherwise, it is just "opinion" and forever dwells in -- is a function of -- self. A self which is passing away.

For something to be a "truth" it needs to be a "dream more endearing than the dreamer". Otherwise when the dreamer stops dreaming, it fades away like the morning mists and indeed carries no more significance than the morning mists.

I think you've hit the nail right on the head with people "wanting to prove THEY'RE right". The nature of Truth, is that it's able to prove itself; but also that it doesn't seek to enforce itself. It is happy just "being".

And either one is willing to journey come to it; or they are not and have to rely upon creating some mockery of "truth" in and of and by and through themselves content to remain where they are.

----I f you ask I will tell you why and how

Do you mind if I ask?

If not, then I'm asking :)

What do you believe and why and how? What do you know for sure and why and how?

I think the reason that this God-no God issue is so endless is because we haven't established "what" God is. To some God is Christ, to others, it is something prophesized that is bigger and others worship an elephant and on and on. Generally speaking, our particular culture determines "what" God is and then we wrap the "way" we live around that to be in synch with people we want to be in synch with.

We try to put an entity (and that may even be the wrong word) into human terms because that is all we have to work with. We can accept that we only use a portion of our brain and we know that the Universe is incomprehensibly massive and yet we try to understand something that is sometimes referred to the Alpha and the Omega. I don't think that is possible without allowing oneself to let go of conventional thinking even though there is a sense of security in structured thought.

So, I'm with you. Act responsibly based on what you believe. If you treat others as you expect to be treated and that comes from just common sense or because you want to "go" to heaven or any reason that influences you in some way; who cares?

One other thing. When people express their opinions on this topic; I think in many ways they are actually talking to themselves anyway (as I am probably doing right now). I think SP serves to allow people to take their thoughts out of their heads and place them in front of themselves (as well as others) so they can see what they're thinking. I know for a fact that I do. Maybe I just have a weak brain and really can't simultaneously think of multiple issues at exactly the same time and when it comes to God, by nature of the description I go by; there is a lot to try to consider simultaneously. One could look at it as an excuse for an argument or feel privileged that you are being given an opportunity to look into someone's head while they happen to be in there routing around.

I usually find the issue to be semantics.

good night all thank you for participating and I will look forward to more responses in the morning

dont you ever think none of us actually know what is right? We can tell ourselves
"i know the truth for me",,,but its still not really the truth except that you want to make it to be.

No, it's about sharing a reliable thinking process that does not allow one to hold any unjustified belief up as true. God and no God is just one of endless topics to put through this process.

The saddest thing about god vs no god is that each individual holds their view so strongly that they are never able to allow the inter dialog with each other to challenge and enrich their beliefs, instead there is argument or silence which ends in stagnant beliefs.

The fact that everyone may have their own truth which is to be respected by others, does not negate that there is a real truth, not individual but universal truth, which one shares out of love for ones fellow man.

one of the things that annoy me in this area are statements people make , like;

blah blah blah ...if this is true then blah blah must be also .

sorta like " No god would let these kids suffer . "

I am fairly certain none of us know what or how it really works, so how can we put any type of rules on it

I think your delusional if your willing to make a definitive answer either way.

That's exactly the way I feel. I'm not religious, but it doesn't bother me that other people are, and it doesn't bother me that people disagree with my point of view. A world where everyone had the exact same beliefs, thoughts, opinions and views, I feel like it would be a terrible, boring, bland place.

I've been thinking about this even more as this topic sort of correlates with my philosophy class. I think it's laughable to debate the existence of God vs. no god because there's obviously no concrete evidence for the first, but then, I'm like, "Why bother attacking all the time? You believe what you want to and I will what I want to." I don't understand why you believe in a higher power but it's the same vice versa. I admit, I'm incredulous when people firmly state they believe in a god and talk about him casually, like "I think god was telling me not to do that again." I guess I admire their firmness in their beliefs?

I don't like organized religion at all. I think if it was no longer more, then Christians might be more respected and seen as individuals instead of Protestants, Catholics, or whatever.

Like I said, I don't like attacking people for their faith. I see a lot of flaws in their religious belief system but if it's what they want to believe in, then fine.

My truth is not your truth, so we leave each other be.

Well here's how I see it, if it makes your life better without hurting anyone then great. The problem I have with religion is that alot of the time it doesn't make people's lives better and it hurts other people aswell (particularly any brand of fundamentalism). If you've found something that works for you, and you're not hurting anyone then by all means have at it.

Once you create a god,

It simply exists.

I am with you on this issue. I know what I believe and don't even need to argue about it, but will be glad to discuss and folks can say whatever they like, but I am all set in my beliefs. I wish them the same comfort that I have.

"My truth is right for me and yours is right too. They don't have to be the same."

See, no. What is factually true is true for everyone. The fact that you believe something doesn't make it true, just as the fact that you don't believe something doesn't make it false.

jaybird111

God ...No God...

SaveAmerica

Behaviors count and beliefs dont, unless they affect behaviors in ways which count.

On the other hand - belief in the unknown as a known is just vanity. :)

Griz

Inzababa

----I f you ask I will tell you why and how

Do you mind if I ask?

If not, then I'm asking :)

What do you believe and why and how? What do you know for sure and why and how?

spitfire3d

willspirit

I usually find the issue to be semantics.

jaybird111

good night all thank you for participating and I will look forward to more responses in the morning

newmusic

dont you ever think none of us actually know what is right? We can tell ourselves
"i know the truth for me",,,but its still not really the truth except that you want to make it to be.

BrainStorm

No, it's about sharing a reliable thinking process that does not allow one to hold any unjustified belief up as true. God and no God is just one of endless topics to put through this process.

Joultimo

The saddest thing about god vs no god is that each individual holds their view so strongly that they are never able to allow the inter dialog with each other to challenge and enrich their beliefs, instead there is argument or silence which ends in stagnant beliefs.

Joultimo

The fact that everyone may have their own truth which is to be respected by others, does not negate that there is a real truth, not individual but universal truth, which one shares out of love for ones fellow man.

jaybird111

stuntman

I think your delusional if your willing to make a definitive answer either way.

Spyder52

insincerelyme

stinkyhenry

My truth is not your truth, so we leave each other be.

Mistral

firespun

Once you create a god,

It simply exists.

RosieFullyRiveted

I am with you on this issue. I know what I believe and don't even need to argue about it, but will be glad to discuss and folks can say whatever they like, but I am all set in my beliefs. I wish them the same comfort that I have.

theknowledgeninja

"My truth is right for me and yours is right too. They don't have to be the same."

See, no. What is factually true is true for everyone. The fact that you believe something doesn't make it true, just as the fact that you don't believe something doesn't make it false.

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God ...No God...

Behaviors count and beliefs dont, unless they affect behaviors in ways which count.On the other hand - belief in the unknown as a known is just vanity. :)

----I f you ask I will tell you why and how Do you mind if I ask?If not, then I'm asking :)What do you believe and why and how? What do you know for sure and why and how?

I usually find the issue to be semantics.

good night all thank you for participating and I will look forward to more responses in the morning

dont you ever think none of us actually know what is right? We can tell ourselves "i know the truth for me",,,but its still not really the truth except that you want to make it to be.

No, it's about sharing a reliable thinking process that does not allow one to hold any unjustified belief up as true. God and no God is just one of endless topics to put through this process.

The saddest thing about god vs no god is that each individual holds their view so strongly that they are never able to allow the inter dialog with each other to challenge and enrich their beliefs, instead there is argument or silence which ends in stagnant beliefs.

The fact that everyone may have their own truth which is to be respected by others, does not negate that there is a real truth, not individual but universal truth, which one shares out of love for ones fellow man.

I think your delusional if your willing to make a definitive answer either way.

My truth is not your truth, so we leave each other be.

Once you create a god,It simply exists.

I am with you on this issue. I know what I believe and don't even need to argue about it, but will be glad to discuss and folks can say whatever they like, but I am all set in my beliefs. I wish them the same comfort that I have.

"My truth is right for me and yours is right too. They don't have to be the same."See, no. What is factually true is true for everyone. The fact that you believe something doesn't make it true, just as the fact that you don't believe something doesn't make it false.

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Behaviors count and beliefs dont, unless they affect behaviors in ways which count.

On the other hand - belief in the unknown as a known is just vanity. :)

----I f you ask I will tell you why and how

Do you mind if I ask?

If not, then I'm asking :)

What do you believe and why and how? What do you know for sure and why and how?

dont you ever think none of us actually know what is right? We can tell ourselves
"i know the truth for me",,,but its still not really the truth except that you want to make it to be.

Once you create a god,

It simply exists.

"My truth is right for me and yours is right too. They don't have to be the same."

See, no. What is factually true is true for everyone. The fact that you believe something doesn't make it true, just as the fact that you don't believe something doesn't make it false.