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I feel as though the Muslim community has every right to be able to build a Mosque near Ground Zero. It would invade on the Freedom of Religion if it were restricted to having to be somewhere else, right? Also. Not all Muslims are terrorists, which mannyyy people need to realize. In fact most Muslims are against terrorism and are religious individuals who strive towards many of the same goals as Christians etc etc. I say build the Mosque.
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Let them build it and then we can allow the CIA and FBI to monitor all things going on.
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I'm with you on this. As far as I'm concerned this is the proverbial 'mountain out of a molehill'. This project had been in the planning stages for almost a year before some nutcase found out and started blogging about it, spreading half truths and rumors and inciting the current mass hysteria over a Community Center that's a few blocks away from Ground Zero. Supposedly there is already a Mosque in the neighborhood.
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I'm with you on this. As far as I'm concerned this is the proverbial 'mountain out of a molehill'. This project had been in the planning stages for almost a year before some nutcase found out and started blogging about it, spreading half truths and rumors and inciting the current mass hysteria over a Community Center that's a few blocks away from Ground Zero. Supposedly there is already a Mosque in the neighborhood.
This country was founded by people escaping religious persecution... how hypocritical to turn around and become the persecutors!
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The United States created two atomic bombs that took out entire cities. These bombs were created in Oak Ridge, Tennessee. Today, right in the middle of Oak Ridge, stands a huge bell, cast in Japan in 1993 and presented to the city of Oak Ridge as a Friendship Bell. 1993 was the 50th anniversary of the city. The bell and it's housing is a beautiful work of art without any religious expression whatsoever. The plaque on the bell reads about friendship, with the last line stating "This bell further serves as a symbol of our mutual longing and pledge to work for freedom, well-being, justice and peace for all the people of the world in the years to come."
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I think the media has glommed onto the story. I think that the neo-conservatives use fear to keep themselves in power and they are running with this one. No doubt in my mind.
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I think the media has glommed onto the story. I think that the neo-conservatives use fear to keep themselves in power and they are running with this one. No doubt in my mind.
Ugh. Don't believe ANYTHING you hear or read. seriously. Talk about some major ratings for the news mongers, and the fear mongers. Someone here mentioned the "two city blocks" equals about 5.5 blocks in other towns. Really? whatever. Two city blocks is actually quite a distance even in bodunk ole Utah, you know?
there is nothing illegal about the Muslims building on their own property. The law of this land says personal property is to be used as the owner desires, within the limits of the law. Why the owners of this land think it's acceptable to build in the neighborhood of the ONLY attack on the US mainland, is beyond me. Is there a Buddhist or other Japanese religious building at Pearl Harbor? Is there an American Cultural Center near "ground zero" in Okinawa? Hmmm? Huh. Just occurred to me...I have no idea. LOL Maybe there is...
so, sure... it's their freaking property. Build whatever you want, but imo, it's a pretty foolish move to build a Muslim religious building in that neighborhood. What about a combined effort, with the Muslims donating the land for a Unity In Diversity monument or museum, educating people about Islam? A Diversity community center, not religious at all...well, I'm sure others have much better ideas than I. There has got to be a more sensitive use for the land.
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not a mosque, mis-information, separation of church and state, one God, too must hate and fear...a non-issue...one family=the family of man,...."The greatest danger for most of us is not that our aim is too high and we miss it, but that it is too low and we reach it." _Michaelangelo
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Muslim does NOT equal terrorist. There are always those who give their faith, race, profession etc., a bad name. Muslims have every right to build a mosque on their own private property--that is what makes America the greatest country on earth. Our forefathers came to this land to escape religious persecution. I think if we learned a little about Islam, we might not find it so different from our own beliefs. I've met many Muslims from different countries, and found them to be some of the nicest, kindest, generous people whose values are not very different from my own.
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These days I think tact is an important thing to have and the lack thereof is what's causing so many people to be in an uproar. I'm from Arizona, and you can see what's happened when here people get offended when they think they're being singled out. That said, I don't think having a mosque close to ground zero is quite appropriate, but I'm not opposed to the building of the thing. I don't know alot of about the Muslim religion, but like alot of religions it seems to try to stress loving your neighbor and doing good in the world. Or maybe we're looking at it the wrong way. MAYBE the building of the Mosque at ground zero is kind of like the Muslim communities attempt to say: look, we're not a crazy wacko cult religion... we're about the same thing you are. Amends?
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70% of Americans are opposed to the proposed youth center "mosque" in Lower Manhattan? Really? It's not an Al-Qaeda war memorial people, it's a fracking mosque and youth center. These aren't the people who attacked us, these are just some Muslims. Saying all Muslims are the same, or even practice their religion the same, is like saying all Christians are the same. Think about is, there are about as many variations on any religion as there are practitioners. Is your "personal relationship with Jesus" the same as anyone else's? Should all Christian churches in Hiroshima or Nagasaki have been rejected as Christianity wasn't the predominant religion there?
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70% of Americans are opposed to the proposed youth center "mosque" in Lower Manhattan? Really? It's not an Al-Qaeda war memorial people, it's a fracking mosque and youth center. These aren't the people who attacked us, these are just some Muslims. Saying all Muslims are the same, or even practice their religion the same, is like saying all Christians are the same. Think about is, there are about as many variations on any religion as there are practitioners. Is your "personal relationship with Jesus" the same as anyone else's? Should all Christian churches in Hiroshima or Nagasaki have been rejected as Christianity wasn't the predominant religion there?
Secondly, no I have not lived in NYC, nor was I there when 9/11 happened, but two blocks in Lower Manhattan is quite a big difference from two blocks in your little cul-de-sac Ms. Palin. It is actually 5.5 walking blocks north of the site, not that it's really far, but it's not next door either.
Thirdly, and slightly new topic; the Anti-Defamation League, who's creed states it's "the nation's premier civil rights/human relations agency," is a compassionate organization and has done a lot to support the rights of innocent Muslims since 9/11, so for them to go against their own long-standing principles and oppose the Islamic center seems misguided. They state an empathy for victims families is reasoning for their disapproval of the plans. Their stated empathy position is derived from a convent that was built next to the Auschwitz death camp. The convent was meant to help Catholics find support and healing, but the ADL felt "(they) thought then that well-meaning efforts by Carmelite nuns to build a Catholic structure were insensitive and counterproductive to reconciliation.." The ADL convinced the Pope to remove the convent; so as their support against the Islamic Center has precedence, it is still against their core mission. The Catholics were not n***s nor were the death camps exclusively for people of Jewish faith.
To the ADL: Isn't healing and atonement something for everyone? I have sympathy for families of victims too, but this was bigger than just them. Should Muslims not be permitted on Manhattan, should Germans not be allowed in the Holocaust Museum, should random people in Mexico have placed flowers at the gates of the UK embassy at the passing of Lady Diana?
Lastly ADL, if you have an opinion that the Center should not be erected in the proposed location, then you should also have an opinion on the minimum acceptable distance. Yes?
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Does the Mosque has a gathering place for stones so they can use for public execusions?
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What I can not grasp is the idea of having you eney camp in your back yard. Analysis: Muslims killed three thousand inocent people and now they want to build a shrine to commemorize the event and Americans are not supposed to object? The Muslims all over the world are laughing at us and we are not suppose to object? This is not the America that had vision. What we have is a group of malcontents who want all and accept no responibility. And now the same "Blame America first" crowd want to surrender to the enemy without a fight. Not in my watch.
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While I'm still up in the air about the mosque near ground zero...I agree that the extreme right wingers, like Rush and Sarah and thousands others, are taking the "Fear this!" attitude to the extreme. This is how they work and win support. Making people fear things and depend on their rhetoric to win them votes. I only hope the intelligent people of this country realize what is going on, although from the sounds of things that I hear...that isn't the case. Let's please help spread the feeling of something that has been missing in this government...Tolerance.
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While I'm still up in the air about the mosque near ground zero...I agree that the extreme right wingers, like Rush and Sarah and thousands others, are taking the "Fear this!" attitude to the extreme. This is how they work and win support. Making people fear things and depend on their rhetoric to win them votes. I only hope the intelligent people of this country realize what is going on, although from the sounds of things that I hear...that isn't the case. Let's please help spread the feeling of something that has been missing in this government...Tolerance.
Thank You for letting me vent.
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I agree with with Tink927, and Sirmitchel. Sweetinator asks (reasonably enough) is it really necessary to build a mosque THERE of all places?
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I agree with with Tink927, and Sirmitchel. Sweetinator asks (reasonably enough) is it really necessary to build a mosque THERE of all places?
Friend, unless I'm mistaken, you think they're rubbing salt in an open wound(?)
I don't see it that way. 911 is the exact reason it's so important to the muslims to build a mosque at Ground Zero (of all places).
I think this is the muslims' way of showing their opposition by constructing the ultimate expression of Love - a holy place of worship. From way out here in California, I think the muslim community in NY is a class act. May God bless us every one!
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This is the place where America's heart was broken. Why would Muslims who do not agree with the bombing of the towers even want to build anything near this site?
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Freedom of religion is a fundamental right. It would be wrong to go against it.
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