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Holy Qur'an 17:31 "You shall not kill your children due to fear of poverty. We provide for them, as well as for you. Killing them is a gross offense”(17:31)"
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Instead of an abortion, I would rather that someone who has the means and the intelligence to help, would take the mother under their wing and help her and the baby both. That person might be able to save both of them.
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*"Social workers have to deal with the reality of this sort of situation on a daily basis -
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*"Social workers have to deal with the reality of this sort of situation on a daily basis -
making it into a hypothesis requires too many assumptions and too much "what if" postulation or assumption.
you see my problem with the hypothesis? in real life we deal with the wonderful multiple choices of a real person and the horrible limitations of what is practically possible..."*
Exactly.
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Social workers have to deal with the reality of this sort of situation on a daily basis -
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Social workers have to deal with the reality of this sort of situation on a daily basis -
making it into a hypothesis requires too many assumptions and too much "what if" postulation or assumption.
My only interest is in what made you pick out those particular elements - "chronic disease which will eventually render her unable to have children"
- which country are we in? clearly not one with universal healthcare if we don't know what disease?
"through some irresponsible act"
- you mean sex...so there's a dad...unmentioned for convenience?
"Should the mother keep the child knowing..."
- that's just it, none of us "know" the future.
"or should the mother abort it and make something of herself,"
- so the only chance to make something of herself is if she doesn't have the child...says who?
"while taking the risk she could become infertile at some unknown point in the future"
is this relevant to the issue under debate? - it might make her keen to try again soon - none of us can tell what her motives are...
you see my problem with the hypothesis? in real life we deal with the wonderful multiple choices of a real person and the horrible limitations of what is practically possible...
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"There is an impoverished teenage girl living in the dregs of society sick with a chronic disease which will eventually render her unable to have children. She manages to get pregnant, through some irresponsible act. Should the mother keep the child, knowing it'll grow up in a horrible impoverished lifestyle, lacking family values and an opportunity for an equal chance at life, or the should the mother abort it and make something of herself, while taking the risk she could become infertile at some unknown point in the future. "
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"There is an impoverished teenage girl living in the dregs of society sick with a chronic disease which will eventually render her unable to have children. She manages to get pregnant, through some irresponsible act. Should the mother keep the child, knowing it'll grow up in a horrible impoverished lifestyle, lacking family values and an opportunity for an equal chance at life, or the should the mother abort it and make something of herself, while taking the risk she could become infertile at some unknown point in the future. "
You make a lot of assumptions here: First that "poverty" is necessarily permanent, that "poverty" does not equate with family values, that the girl is necessarily stuck in a permanent situation, the she got pregnant by some "irresponsible" act. nor do you offer adoption as an option.
Such an event, nevertheless is an individual choice. based on a lot of unpredictable conditions.
as a matter of fact I am aware of a girl who got pregnant, and at her family's behest, gave her child up for adoption. then she died. she was an only child herself, and that child was the only grandchild.
you just never know.
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She can come live with me for a while until she figures it out. It would be hard to carry a pregnancy with a chronic disease (pregnancy along is hard on a healthy body). It is also a powerful thing to be able to bring new life into the world and be a mother. Also, as the previous poster mentioned, adoption would be a solution as well- if the girl wanted to have the child, but not be a mother.
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She can come live with me for a while until she figures it out. It would be hard to carry a pregnancy with a chronic disease (pregnancy along is hard on a healthy body). It is also a powerful thing to be able to bring new life into the world and be a mother. Also, as the previous poster mentioned, adoption would be a solution as well- if the girl wanted to have the child, but not be a mother.
That said, I really looks like she needs some help at the moment- and not have other people trying to make decisions for her. People who screw up need help more than they need a sermon.
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I agree with glasshalfful more than anyone, because she's the only one that kept it ethical and realistic. The reality of the situation is the child would grow in a poor downtrodden household, with no opportunity to succeed, unless some X factor plays in like an aunt or a project leader comes in and notices a dire need to remove the child from the premises or the custody of the mother. I agree with Ztlascell and bluecrayon about other factors weighing in the scenario.
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That child could be the catalyst that sparks a monumental change in her life. Assumptions hold no weight in the presence of faith. A faith in herself and thus a determination to be a good thing in that child's life could be what gives her the strength to better herself for both of them. Granted, she does have a chronic disease. If she won't live long enough to care for the child she can at least put it up for adoption.
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I see a lot of assumptions and implied judgments in your question--"pregnant, through some irresponsible act; horrible impoverished life style, lacking family values"
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I see a lot of assumptions and implied judgments in your question--"pregnant, through some irresponsible act; horrible impoverished life style, lacking family values"
She got pregnant, period. One could say that anyone who has an unplanned pregnancy is irresponsible, but what's the point?
She may live in poverty, but maybe her life isn't horrible. Not everyone who lives in poverty has a horrible life.
And poverty does not necessarily equate with not having family values.
You omitted the option of adoption.
You also did not consider the consequences of her disease. Is it terminal? Is it going to incapacitate her in some way which might make it difficult for her to care for her child? Can she still hold a job? Are there family members who could help her out?
In answer to the question, though, that has to be her choice. In her position, I, personally would probably choose to give the child up for adoption. Probably.
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How could I possibly answer that? Its up to the girl. The question which arises is: would the girl want to be a mother? How badly? Or is she not that interested in motherhood and would she prefer to make it professionally? This is what she has to weigh against each other- and for each person, the priorities will be different. I think people could argue here all day and all night- but it will be a very personal choice that relies on the personal dreams and wishes and goals of this person.
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"Should the mother keep the child, knowing it'll grow up in a horrible impoverished lifestyle, lacking family values and an opportunity for an equal chance at life"
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