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Why would anyone want a religion that can be proved scientifically? Religion is about unmeasurable things like faith, hope, love, truth, kindness, charity, chastity, trustworthiness, patience, etc. Science is the tool for understanding physical reality. Religion is the tool for understanding spiritual reality. What the world desperately needs is harmony and agreement between these two methods for understanding the Big Question: Why are we here?
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I really want to hear that validation of Christianity through the scientific method... whoever said that was the case, please provide promptly! A lot of bickering about nothing going on in this thread... Point blank: science DOES NOT help religion AT ALL. Mmmkay? Isn't that the whole point of faith? There is a danger of being too attached to the status quo in science (this has happened many a time) but science thrives on open-mindedness to procede.
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I guess I could say'the church of scientology'. But I don't have the full grasp of what it's about. Check it out and tell us.
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@dijuwa GREAT ANSWER!!! Keep up the truthfulness friend And if there were a religion based on scientific method i would be the first one to sign up. Unfortunately i have to agree with dijuwa that there is a huge disconnect between science and religion regarding methods of understanding. Religion is all about faith and hope (words that refer to a believing method without proof and disregarding reason and logic in it’s theories) I'm too intelligent to fall into the religious trap of delusional thinking. I'm too grounded to let my thoughts on serious issues of reality slip away from me because of the vastness and complexity of life & the universe. I'm determined enough and smart enough and brave enough to look at the way things really are. I understand the past, present, and future of topics many consider too difficult to understand. These have become understandable for me due to years of research and years of interaction with scientists and other people on open forum websites like soul pancake. If there is a "God" he gave us all free will and free thought. Through your life you should stride for excellence in all areas including your understanding of the world and universe around you. What would God say if you do anything less than your best. And my best is breaking away from organized religions based on stories told over and over again with slight changes over thousands of years. So religion tells me i'm supposed to turn the other cheek on free thought and listen to some old guys from thousands of years ago regarding what life and the universe is all about???? HA i don't think so!! Basically Evolution and knowledge over the years have made us all better, smarter, and supplied us with more information to make better predictions and theories about everything we see and everything we are. Science caught on to this idea from the very beginning and has brought us all answers we could never dream of stuck in delusional religious ruts of thought. Dead zones of advancement! So my final thought is everyone should become skeptical... test your religion.. Find out if it makes sense.. Think about what i posted here and find your own way to truth and all the glory it can bring. @zamfir Please back me up here and tell everyone the joy and emotional rewards that come with finding your own way...
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I've been reading your comments for some time now and though many are based in some decent understanding it may be that you miss the mark in a lot of areas, as do we all. Why not take my comment as a helpful hint?
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I think, as popularly played out, religion and science play on different fields. This should not be the case, but that is what occurs. So the way it is set up currently, both sides can make sufficient but not necessary arguments for their case. A reasonable person might look at the intense complexity of organic life juxtaposed with the chaos of entropy and see a transcendent Creation and thus a need to honor a Creator. But contrary to some of the statements below, not everyone can use the tools of science to arrive at definitive proof of a Creator, so the need for the scientific method is not inherent in religious practice. I personally think that in the future this will change, even as it is changing now.
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I think there could be. I've been thinking about it, here: http://www.soulpancake.com/view_image/zamfir/17/1/photo-4338236.html" target="_blank">http://www.soulpancake.com/view_image/zamfir/17/1/photo-4338236.html
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There's one, not based on science, but on science fiction... you know what is called, and let´s not point fingers, but they make their women go trough labour in silence. from wikipedia "Scientific method refers to bodies of techniques for investigating phenomena, acquiring new knowledge, or correcting and integrating previous knowledge. To be termed scientific, a method of inquiry must be based on gathering observable, empirical and measurable evidence subject to specific principles of reasoning.[1] A scientific method consists of the collection of data through observation and experimentation, and the formulation and testing of hypotheses.[2]" Based on this criteria, i found these two religions: unitarian universalism http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unitarian_Universalism" target="_blank">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unitarian_Universalism and Universal life church http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universal_Life_Church" target="_blank">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universal_Life_Church They sound scientific to me. Because of all the research and stuff...
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As a person who aspires to be religious, I agree with many of the comments below, but for different reasons. To apply the scientific method to a religious practice seems impractical, for reasons stated below. I can think of the scientific approach as a tool for gaining understanding. But science is much better suited to the physical realm. Once you go beyond the measurable/observable it becomes less useful. You can observe this in the socio-political sciences, where differing opinions are dressed up as fact and analyzed 'scientifically'. eg., Prove that democracy is better then socialism. For whatever reason, humans have been driven to attempt to define their creator and their role in the creation. Faith and reason pervade our lives in equal measure.Religion is the the tool for gaining that understanding. I disagree with the idea that they are mutually exclusive however. The greatest minds in the world have almost universally had both wrenches in their hands. "Two extremes- to admit only, and to exclude only, reason" -Pascal
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I don't think so, not a viable one at least. People may live their lives in such a way, but there isn't a Divinely inspired one. But there is a religion that believes that science and true religion must and are in total harmony with one another. :))
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No, there isn't. Only one such thing is based on the scientific method, I hear they call it science. Religion is, at least in part, a non-rational pursuit; not relying upon (or even acknowledging) reasonable faculties. I'd disagree with @dijuwa below in that I think it's rather clear religion is not "senseless." Seems that sense is what drives people to religion in the first place (or is at least a factor). One may disagree with the sort of sense a religious person might employ, however.
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Absolutely not. The scientific method is based off objective evidence, testability, reproducibility, and consistency. Something that conforms to the scientific method can be reproduced by anyone. That is the basis of science. Unfortunately, religion/spirituality is the complete opposite of the scientific method. There is no objective evidence, nothing is consistent, and nothing is reproducible. Lets look at something like prayer which occurs in many religions. Observation: There is a book that says some sentient being answers my prayers Hypothesis: My prayers get answered by said being Testing: Pray and ask for even the simplest thing The conclusion based on the scientific method will always be that prayers do not get answered. This is a very simplistic example but it shows how easily any supernatual claim breaks down when put under pressure. Here is a church-backed study showing prayer failing under the scientific method: http://www.nytimes.com/2006/03/31/health/31pray.html" target="_blank">http://www.nytimes.com/2006/03/31/health/31pray.html Science has very simple rules for determining fact from fiction that have served humanity extremely well. Religion has always spectacularly failed at measuring up the scientific method.
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